Some of the Differences Between France and America

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Text and photos by Corey Amaro.

What are the subtle differences between French and Americans?

I am an American, my husband is French. I moved to France when I was thirty years old and have lived here for 22 years. Our children, Chelsea (20) and Sacha (18) were born in France. They have visited the States every year, sometimes twice a year since they were born. (Have you ever traveled an eleven hour flight with two children under three years old. If you haven't you are the wiser one.) 

Chelsea and Sacha are in California this year: Chelsea is an exchange student at SFSU and Sacha is living his dream (gap year) of going to high school with his cousins. Both are experiencing a bit of culture shock and a ton of pleasure.

Chelsea's first remarks were based on food… "The grocery stores are nearly empty! Do people eat? Most of the food is pre packaged, food is expensive, how do you know what is a good brand, and what is what? Chicken broth and pork lard are in everything! Where is the creme fraiche? Mom, I am on a diet because I am lost in the grocery store, I barely recognize anything? But thank God for tortillas!"

Sacha's first remarks were and still are about greeting people… "In France, at school (or anywhere for that matter) each day when you see someone you know you greet them. When you know a person well you kiss them on the cheeks and say, "Ca-va?" and they say, "Ca-va." And if you don't know the person very well, then you shake their hand when you see them, and say "Ca-va?" and they say, "Ca-va."

"But here in the States I am confused about greetings. When I see someone I know in the hallways they walk by like they don't know me, or don't see me, or are too busy to say, "Hi." It seems they are not being rude, but I am lost with what is the right thing to do? Also, mom it is strange people in the school talk to me on FACEBOOK, but when I ask them why they don't talk to me at school they say they are too shy."

"When or how are you suppose to greet someone?"

Stacked chairs

When I first came to live in France… Oh I remember the grocery store like it was yesterday. I can still smell the smell, see the check out person, the aisles and the labels in which I did not understand a word. I remember wondering what the differences were between the brands? Where was the cereal? Ice cream? And how was I suppose to order cheese if I couldn't ask the salesperson for it? I pointed, and shook my head yes, often.

I found out that before I went to the check out counter I had to weigh the fruits and vegetables I wanted. In the fruit and vegetable section there was a scale that had a list of the fruits and vegetable on it. All I had to do was find the word (not a simple task), then click on it and a ticket with a price would appear. 

Years later my Dad went to the French grocery store and came back with a head of lettuce that cost $25. I looked at the ticket, he had clicked on fresh herbs and not lettuce.

I bought sour milk instead of fresh milk. The fresh milk was in a box without a spout, and as it was located by the dry goods, I had no idea what it was. I was surprised it was not refrigerated. Later I learned that it could last three months in the cupboard if not opened, and only when opened needed to put in the refrigerator.

Eggs were sold without cartons, we had scrambled eggs often.

Creme Fraiche is not sour cream.

Wine glasses

Table Etiquette in France by Kari Masson

"1) Should you place your napkin in your lap immediately after being seated?

False. Once the hostess places her napkin in her lap, other guests should follow suit.

2) Do you put your bread in the upper left edge of your plate, or on a bread plate?

False. Bread is placed directly on the tablecloth, on the left above the fork.

3) Should you tear your bread into a bite-sized piece before eating it?

True. Always! It is very impolite to take a bite from the whole piece of bread.

4) When the aperitif is served, do you wait for the host to give the toast before drinking?

True. You should wait for the host to lead the way, whether an
aperitif or dinner course. Once everyone has been served a drink, the
host will generally make a short toast after which the glass-clinking
begins. It is polite to make eye contact as you say, “Santé.”

Note: Also never cross over someone's arm when toasting, it is considered bad luck.

5) When serving wine, should the glasses be filled up to five millimeters from the brim?

False. When pouring wine, stop when the glass is three-fourths full.

6) It is acceptable to eat pommes frites  (French fries) with your fingers?

False. While fast food has made its mark in France, eating
foods with your fingers is still strictly limited when you are at the
dinner table. If in doubt, follow the lead of your host. Mayonnaise or Mustard is the choice topping.

Also when eating pizza at a restaurant or someone's home a fork and knife are used."

Ouvert

The comments yesterday were wonderfully said. If you haven't read them and you want to know more about differences between the French and the Americans you might want to read them.

Yes, some French take two hour lunch breaks, but not everyone. Though when the French have breakfast, lunch, or dinner they don't eat… they dine.

The French table is more than quenching hunger. It is the center of their lives. It is an art form, poetry of conversation, a feast in motion, it is a source of pleasure, it is the gathering of family and friends, a daily celebration of living.

It is never on the go.

When my mother in law came to visit in the States (before French Husband and I were married) we went to have lunch before going somewhere…  I ordered pizza, grabbed a bunch of napkins, and some drinks. In the car I gave her slice of pizza, and a napkin. She gave me a startled look, uttered something in French… in which case I put the piece of pizza in my mouth, and with my hand imitated her to do the same.

She gasped. It took years us years to understand one another.

Sacha also said, "Mom, the school lunch break is so fast I barely have time to chew my food, let alone finish my meal!"

School lunches are one and half hours in France.

Pink bicycle

More to follow tomorrow….



Comments

34 responses to “Some of the Differences Between France and America”

  1. It’s going to be an interesting year in NoCal for your lovely young people!
    I wish them the very best of luck and a lot of fun!

  2. Sacha is right! The public school lunch alottment is horrible! And as a nation we have forgotten how to dine as opposed to eat( and quickly!) We save that “pleasure” for holidays and special days that though festive are usually wrapped up with the pressure to “perform to perfection”. I grew up with a Gran who believed you dined and came dressed for it. I am beginning to think she had it right! I am guilty of thinking dinner needs to be a hurry up and get it over event on most nights. I hope Sacha and Chelsea are having fun inspite of the differences!

  3. Yes I have traveled an eleven hour flight with two children under two years old, a number of times. Unfortunately they weren’t mine. I can’t imagine what it was like for the parents they were actually with.
    When I was in Paris, I got so weary of trying to deal with the waiters, and menus that I broke down and ate at a McDonald’s. If you are in Paris and are tempted to do McDonald’s, don’t. It was very expensive and sucked.

  4. Good luck to Chelsea and Sacha. It’s definitely a culture shock. they will make it.

  5. I wish I had your list when we attended a wedding in Nancy! I was teased by a Frenchman about the bread. We have had 4 french exchange students in the past & our girls loved each other & the experience. Two of the girls returned a second time on their own & continue to correspond to us for over 15 years. We also spent family time around a home cooked meal discussing our differences & the events of our day. I think alot has to do with how you are brought up & what you value in life. I have lived in Arkansas all my life, but have visited several countries seen a large portion of the states. The exchange students were amazed that a 1000 mile road trip was normal for us. We have enjoyed meeting & experience different cultures & learning from others, especially making new friends where ever we go. Your children are blessed!

  6. As a Canadian, I even notice cultural differences when travelling in the States. Most notably, all food is huge…not always good but always huge, and the fast food restuarants are not clean. I would imagine French folk might find Americans a tad loud but also friendly. Surprising that Sacha has not found that to be so….being a handsome teenager could very well cast a spell on the American youth. He will most definitely end up being extremely popular…they’re just doing that initiation dance around him right now…common in U.S. AND Canada.

  7. lihabiboun

    Dear Corey,
    I am following this most intgreat eresting post and above all the comments with interest.
    I think the most important for your two will be to return home “not the same”: they will live the experience that neither France nor the US have everything “right” – and that there is no “right” way to do things, just differences and different ways of looking at things. I remember very well when I was living (teaching, studying and working) in France – I learned soo many things – the least being some vegetables I hadn’t even known in German before. There is “fire in their heads” – wonderful, isn’t it?
    Best from Munich, lihabiboun

  8. “The French table is more than quenching hunger” I Love that!! I find I am constantly telling my husband to “Slow down and taste the food”.
    I love the cafes in France. I love the leisurely pace of meals and the smaller portions.
    Although it is always completely different to live somewhere versus visiting. I look forward to hearing more of their experiences.

  9. Fascinating….and I want that PINK BICYCLE!
    I find it interesting that Sacha is enrolled in high school here. Will he be graded like the other students? Or is he “auditing” the classes – sitting in but not graded? It would be interesting to know what he thinks of the French class, if the school is offering it as a foreign language. He could probably teach the class better than the teacher!!

  10. This is fascinating–thanks for taking the time to share.

  11. Leslie Garcia

    Dear Corey,
    I just had to write down some of your words in my notebook. You said it all so perfectly! I look forward to reading your blog every day! I love the pink bicycle too!
    Love,
    Leslie

  12. Kathleen in Oregon

    Would loved to have seen the look on your dad’s face when paying $25 for lettuce!
    It would be more rewarding for the cook if people would savor their dinner. Taking an hour to prepare food only to have it inhaled in 15 min. can be discouraging.

  13. LOL, I have to laugh at what Chelsea said about our grocery stores. I could not find milk in the Apt grocery store! I was pleased to find many fresh foods, veggies, and deserts. Since I could not read French, I had to kind of figure out foods on the shelf. I mean one does not need to read if they know what spaghetti looks like, right?
    Chelsea needs to ask were the vegetarians shop.
    Love your stories.

  14. Hi Corey (may I call you Corey ?)
    I am French, but have spent some time in the US (we even got married in Vegas!) + have family there and in Canada.
    I am very surprised, after reading all the comments, that none of you have pointed this one difference between the UsA and France : in France, you DO NOT talk about money (about how much you make), whereas in the Us, it was sometimes one of the first question I was asked when meeting someone !! (which, btw, sounds very rude to us French people !!!)
    I guess, again, it has to do with the fact that life, here in France, is about being happy, “enjoying” (food, wine, friends, vacation, having a family….) and NEVER about making lots of money.
    I just love your blog, and the way you write !
    Mimi

  15. Can not see to get to your e-mail. One question please. Should a girl in her early 30’s, Single, Veterinarian, apply for a job in Willows?

  16. I spent a month living the student life in Paris many years ago… poor as a churchmouse and scared to death of having to go and buy anything. I will never forget legging it out of a grocery store with the checkout lady yelling and shaking her finger at me. All the other shoppers stopped and stared… all because I had unwittingly taken more plastic shopping bags than she thought I needed. The language was a huge barrier. Later I moved to England… “I speak English, they speak English… how hard can this be?” I asked myself… and oh my, you might speak the same language, but the cultural differences can sometime be as big a barrier as the language. All in all though, these experiences broaden the horizons and your lovely 2 will look back on their time away from home with smiles.

  17. pottermom

    I just spent some time in Russia living in a village with my son-in-law’s family. I was surprised at how much their Russian life revolved around food. From the extensive preparation (primitive compared to American standards as they started with a live chicken!) to the arrangement of the food (beautiful!) to the great amount of time spent dining and enjoying. It was lovely, labor intensive but lovely. I could enjoy that on a much more regular basis and we Americans miss out on much with our hurry hurry fast fast mentality toward eating. We eat in the US, we don’t dine.

  18. Sacha and Chelsea’s comments pinpoint exactly the two differences that strike me about French vs American culture (I am neither, by the way). 1) It astonishes me that Americans commonly accuse the French of rudeness – just read Sacha’s comments on greeting to see the difference between the politeness of French meeting rituals compared to the often casual, offhand US-style of greeting (or not greeting) people. 2) Food shopping in America (and equally in Britain) dismays me with regard to the overwhelming quantity of pre-prepared, pre-packaged meals, horrible ‘TV dinners’ etc. It seems that 95% of people are happy to slap an aluminium package in front of their families rather than prepare a lovely meal with fresh ingredients.

  19. If it helps Chelsea at all, there is a Trader Joe’s in the Stonestown shopping mall just next to SFSU. I’m pretty sure that they have creme fraiche, as well as a better selection of food in general than most stores.
    I’m an SFSU alumnus and am sure that she is going to have a great time there!

  20. Victoria Ramos

    whatever you to Chelsea – don’t go to Costco, you might just have a heart attack!!!!
    I am sooooo lucky to live in Sacramento — we have so many farmers markets within the week, as well as local produce in our chain stores. And in my neighborhood we have a small family ran store that reminds me of the stores you talk about in France. Tons of fresh food, butcher counter, produce, locally baked bread and more.
    I’m with Chelsea- I have never been impressed with the stores in the SF area, especially in the area near CSUSF. My daughter has friends that go there, I will ask around.

  21. Mimi, please trust me, not all Americans talk about how much money they have or spend. If someone tries to raise that topic with me, I tactfully change the subject. If the person doesn’t take the hint after a second attempt, and instead tries to pursue the matter further, by the third time I give him or her a “look,” then change the subject again firmly (or absent myself from that conversation).
    As a part-time University student the past several years, I can attest that the standard greeting among late-teens/early-20-somethings has for some time been “HEY.” Depending on context and tone of voice, it can be exuberant or perfunctory, platonic or even seductive 🙂 Just as long as Sacha doesn’t adopt Joey (Matt LeBlanc) Tribbiani’s “Hey, how YOU doin’?” greeting from “Friends,” he should be OK (LOL!). Chelsea and Sacha need first to listen to how others use it, then practice in private till they achieve just the right inflections for various situations.
    (I wonder how Willows schoolgirls would react to Sacha’s French kiss-on-each-cheek greeting, along with “Ça va?”)

  22. P.S. Corey, if your relatives still have the books I translated that I mailed you ℅ your mom, ask them to please pass them along for me, presumably first to Sacha (since he’s right there in Willows), then to Chelsea. Since both books are Portuguese-Californian themed, they can teach CHelsea and Sacha more about that half of their cultural heritage! Maybe they can even use them for book reports or as sources for school essays (we all remember footnotes!). Then you can take the books home to France yourself at the end of your visit, whenever that is. Merci/Obrigada/Thanks!

  23. I lived in SF for 20 yrs and am not quite sure why Chelsea thinks the grocery stores are empty. Has she tried Whole Foods or the Marina Safeway? The Ferry Building has a farmer’s market that is outstanding. I doubt they would compare to what is available in France but should give her some more options. Maybe she’s shopping at the little mom and pop groceries which are super expensive and don’t really have much. If her friends are just 20 like her they probably aren’t very savvy about grocery shopping. Most Americans that age are into fast food. Good luck to her!

  24. Oh, you opened my heart where the memories of when I had the opportunity to experience the beautiful cultural differences reside. I have indeed flown eleven hours with small children! What a growth opportunity it is for all! There is a national campaign here in the U.S. called the Slow Food Movement, which is in complete alignment with the French in that the meal is an event of sharing, care, reflection, and planning. A way to enrich one’s heart and soul as well as their stomach. Perhaps if we all took more time with one another we would not feel the need to fill ourselves – and our lives – with unenriching, unnourishing items!
    Some day both your children will look back on this experience and see it in a whole different light. I do know how they feel and I totally understand your feeling of living in a country where you do not understand the language, customs, and culture. But, as King Solomon said, “This too shall pass.”
    And culture in northern California is different from the remainder of the state and far different from the East coast!
    Thank you for sharing and I look forward to hearing more.

  25. Franca Bollo

    Pork lard? Really?
    Tell Chelsea to go to Rainbow: http://www.rainbowgrocery.org/
    Victoria Ramos? Have you been to SF recently” We have farmer’s markets all over the city and some great grocery stores.

  26. Notastepfordwife

    East coast is best! We pour lots of pure maple syrup over pork lard and grunt and glare at each other in greeting.And we have Brimfield Antique shows so we walk off the pork lard walking through the fields.

  27. annie vanderven

    When I came in the US for the first time and had to sit at a meal, I was really baffled by people keeping their left hand on their lap while eating, a nono in France.
    and the kissing when you saw a friend or when you left, where I am from we kiss 3 times, the shaking of hand also brought a great deal of confusion with me proferring my hand to see it ignored. Confusion was my middle name!!!

  28. annie vanderven

    forgot one thing, in the US people will call by your first name upon meeting you for the first time, I shall never forget my father-in-law’s face who was an executive for Philips and he walked in an office and the secretary called him by his first name, priceless. That still suprises me, when it happens to me, another nono in France!!! nothing with being a snob, just cultural difference!!!

  29. Birdbrain

    Franca Bollo is right, and I’d add Whole Foods and Trader Joe’s. HUGE farmer’s mkt at the Ferry Building on Saturdays and others around the city. Pork lard in food, I doubt it but lots of trans fats. Tell her to shop the perimeter of a supermarket for the healthiest stuff and find a natural food store nearby or try the ones we’ve mentioned.
    And to Sacha, unfortunately American teens and the under 30’s have lost their ability to use their vocal cords for speech, either face to face or on the telephone. And you know what they say – use it or lose it, so I predict future generations will become mute and have extra fingers to text faster. Tell him a simple “Hi, John, etc.” will do him well.

  30. As the charming Parisienne said to me, “it’s important to enjoy the small pleasures of life”.
    I think that’s their secret…

  31. Poor Sacha, I agree with his impression of the sorry state of greetings in the US. In my company, we actually have to send some of our entry-level managers to etiquette class to learn proper greetings, table manners and other basic civilities that they somehow never learned growing up. Oy!
    Your stories about shopping for food in a new country ring so true. When we moved to Japan we had no idea what most of the foodstuffs were in the markets and the “foreign” foods were horrendously expensive. I learned to cook fresh and inexpensive Japanese food by watching the cooking programs on TV (even with the language barrier). When we returned home after 4 years, I was again faced with wandering the market because I couldn’t find my normal Japanese ingredients. This was well before the arrival of all the specialty food stores we have today. Those were really fun times!
    That IS one sweet pink bicycle!

  32. I couldn’t think of a question the other day, but got to wondering…what is the difference in church culture in France compared to American churches? In America, it seems megachurches have become popular. Some people like to church hop – always looking for something different or better than the last church. Then it seems location determines denomination – Baptist churches in the South and Catholic or Synagogue in the North East. Each denomination practices it’s rituals differently and we have so many options to choose in bible selection..such as KSV or BCP.

  33. Heya Corey!
    Best wishes to your wee babes from an Anglophone in France! PLEASE reassure these young folk that what’s present in California or San Francisco is NOT what is present for the rest of the United States.
    The US is a HUGE country…it’s ONE country and it’s huge. Because of its size, there’s room for a LOT MORE variation than in smaller countries. In the South, we greet with a “good mornin”, “good evenin”, and so on. The “etiquette” (or lack thereof) of the northern cities are looked down upon by many in the south who tend to put a lot more emphasis on good manners.
    I have never in my life seen “everything cooked with chicken broth or pork lard”. I have no idea what that is. People used to cook with pork lard in the 80s still (in the south), but most folks have moved on to vegetable oil and shortening (the latter for baking or for french fries).
    The food in SF tends to be terrible, at least to me, but the locals seem to think very highly of it.
    As for prepackaged foods, I’ve noticed that the US AND France are chock full of them…and making things from scratch are pretty rare, unless you’re in the south or from a culture that puts a premium on home cookin. (I’ve noticed French people often cook from boxes, while in my culture, a woman’s “value” skyrockets when she can cook from scratch, and many, many do).
    If Chelsea’s like me and makes everything from scratch, she’ll do JUST FINE there. She will be at a loss with the cheeses and breads…the french eat a lot more of that than Americans typically do. Creme Fraiche will be hard to find, but she can use sour cream, which I believe to be the closest equivalent in the US.
    If she has food cooked in chicken broth or pork lard, she should go elsewhere for her food because most places are NOT cooking their food that way…even junk food is usually made without pork lard.
    She’ll want to avoid the mall food culture of SF though, if she’s watching her weight. The caloric count at those places is seriously horrific. Many places will offer her a nutrition menu guide that will contain the caloric count, fat, and servings per dish. DO ask for it if you are health conscious (it’s eye opening…the food at the Olive Garden and IHOP alone has a tremendous amount of unbelievable fat).

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